I asked around, and the reason we did not mess with the knock sensors is because we do not add any timing inthese tunes, in fact some have a bit of timing pulled, thus we did not think it would be necessary, especially on a stock car.

The idea was if you really wanted the sensors desensitized, you'd likely be running a custom tune anyhow, and you could have the tuner set your knock thresholds however you'd like.

Thanks
Mike

5 degrees of knock IMO can only be real. anything below 2 would have been great, and I would have never worried about it, but 5 degrees can't be an overly sensitive sensor. Especially when I could throw a stronger wastegate on the stock map, and have 0KR.

The sensor read out is just relative to its "Threshold" settings. If you had a S1 PCM you WOULD have had 1-2 degrees of KR, with the exact same DSP tune.

The engine would have performed the EXACT same. Th eonly difference would be the sensor would have reported sligtly less Knock.

This is not true. The engine would have performed with more timing AND more knock.

Update for you guys, i took the srt4 and did a bunch of tests. I was getting 4 degrees pulled, so yanked 4 degrees more from the tables, still got the knock. So i up'd the thresholds for you guys and saw 1 count at 5500rpm. I yanked out 1 degree and still saw the knock however i went pretty aggressive on the thresholds. So i decided not to go any further. I took it out on the street and got 1 count beating on her repeatedly. And i hit the rev limiter when that count showed up, after which i didn't hit it anymore and saw nothing further.

Incorrect

(sigh,,,,,i didn't think I had to re-explain the whole thing)

the S1 would have had more timing except the DSP tune was used it will overwrite the timing back down below the stock level. Since the 93 tune doesn't touch the Knock tables, they would remain untouched at the S1 level which are less sensitive than stock.

So he would have been using the exact same timing but the PCM would have reported LESS knock.

I understand what you're saying. (and this is just for the technical nit discussion)
The PCM would have reported less knock RETARD. The sensors report the same no matter what.

This part is more important. I was under the impression (given by mikel) that ALL ds tunes reduce/raise the threshold. So they would be writing to the knock tables.

Is this not true for the SRT4 tune?